tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post5137991086078240318..comments2024-03-27T03:16:30.857-04:00Comments on wAitiNG foR doROthY: radical shift in queer culture.emily1http://www.blogger.com/profile/13436512495391302621noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-28421834174399159732007-05-21T15:49:00.000-04:002007-05-21T15:49:00.000-04:00"if we try to blend in too much before our rights ..."if we try to blend in too much before our rights are fully and legally affirmed, we're falling into a trap"<BR/><BR/>whoops, missed this one too. glad you pointed this out. <BR/><BR/>the people i know *aren't trying* to blend in, yet somehow we blend in anyway. in law school i was president of my school's gay and lesbian organization. my gay friends and i were most definitely NOT in the closet. we ran educational panels, had alumni functions, and social events - just like any other organization. we fit in quite well with the community in general. after our debate with the federalist society about the solomon amendment, we had a reception in which members of GALLSA and members of the federalist society gabbed about normal, everyday things, like how crappy the kosher wine at the reception was. most of my friends in law school were straight and in their 20s. they all believe i should be able to get married, even the republican ones. <BR/><BR/>blending in was not a conscious decision. also, being out and proud and blending in is not mutually exclusive. <BR/><BR/>re: ethnicity. i threw that in there (asian descent) for a few reasons. i find that even when i am out with my girlfriend, no one really bothers about asking us about how it is to be gay, yet occasionally i get the "where are you from?" question, which i thought would be readily apparent from my lack of an accent (america, duh.) so in my experience, others tend to treat the gay thing with indifference yet, i, as an american citizen who born in the all-american crappy city of cleveland, still get questions about where i'm "really" from (usually from older people in the suburbs). it's annoying yet sort of amusing.<BR/><BR/>so, to tie it all together, as an ethnic minority in america, i know how it feels to be an "other" for a reason i can't control. i have some perspective on that. being gay, on the other hand, isn't readily apparent.FMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05800374238932683719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-60085688517480920132007-05-21T15:03:00.000-04:002007-05-21T15:03:00.000-04:00Hmm, I have some problems with this statement: "if...Hmm, I have some problems with this statement: "if we try to blend in too much before our rights are fully and legally affirmed, we're falling into a trap"<BR/><BR/>Blend in too much??? WTF?<BR/><BR/>Glad you discovered info about Asbury. It's no Bermuda, but might be worth checking out (fairly easy NJT train ride). Don't get your hopes up too high, but it's interesting.<BR/><BR/>Now I'm curious: Why do you think people ask about your race/ethnicity/nationality so often? Is it just skin color, or what? (keep in mind I have no idea what you look like, hence the curiosity about this phenomenon)Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02957861827918606478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-21159790252414427582007-05-21T12:13:00.000-04:002007-05-21T12:13:00.000-04:00(note: i get more stupid questions about my race t...(note: i get more stupid questions about my race than my sexual orientation. and i always have.)<BR/><BR/>conversation a month ago...<BR/><BR/>dude: where are you from?<BR/><BR/>me: cleveland.<BR/><BR/>dude: no really, where are you from?<BR/><BR/>me: oh, i guess if you want to be technical... mayfield heights, a suburb of cleveland.<BR/><BR/>dude: oh, i thought you were going to say someplace exotic.<BR/><BR/>me: well, the cuyahoga river caught on fire once, and the smells that emanate from said river are pretty, um, unusual.<BR/><BR/>girlfriend: he means where your parents are from, what your nationality is.<BR/><BR/>me: i'm american. i was born here. do i ask all of you where your parents are from? jeez.FMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05800374238932683719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-23745133171026183892007-05-21T12:03:00.000-04:002007-05-21T12:03:00.000-04:00dammit. computer crash. lost my five paragraph com...dammit. computer crash. lost my five paragraph comment. so here's the roundup:<BR/><BR/>1) indychick: i learned history. and i try to educate. (my gf didn't even know about stonewall until i told her about it.) but to state i fully comprehend what queers 40 years ago experienced would be disingenuous. while i heartily thank those who came before me, i had a completely different experience. i simply came further along in the timeline, and while i thank the radical queers, i can't say i "feel" it. i just feel like any other schmuck on the street, and i don't want to feel disparaged or even "un-gay" for feeling like any other schmuck on the street. i almost feel that some queers want to drag us all back in the ghetto - when many of us younguns never experienced it as part of our identity in the first place.<BR/><BR/>2) asbury park... sounded familiar so i googled and craigslisted around. <BR/><BR/>http://newjersey.craigslist.org/vac/329933424.html<BR/><BR/>wowee! it's in new jersey. when did asbury park start attracting gay vacationers? (uh, i don't have $5000 for a 2 month rental, but still... a gay-ish resort in new jersey? did i totally miss this?)FMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05800374238932683719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-6202735549617478102007-05-20T18:39:00.000-04:002007-05-20T18:39:00.000-04:00I'm glad you feel safe, and I am even more glad yo...I'm glad you feel safe, and I am even more glad you are out and proud. But you must learn history. If not for those Drag Queens at the Stonewall Inn, none of us would be brave enough to post on this for fear of having it traced. And the world is not a safe place for Gays. America is not a safe place for Gays. Matthew Shepard only died 10 years ago. Sean William Kennedy is probably still in the morgue. Homophobia is out there and if we try to blend in too much before our rights are fully and legally affirmed, we're falling into a trap. It's easier to oppress people who are unorganized or who are only trying to get along. Do some studying. Not only to honor the past, but to defend yourself in the future.Indychickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09207538460137588534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-16887164731847258282007-05-20T10:46:00.000-04:002007-05-20T10:46:00.000-04:00If I did anything at all with my girlfriend, inclu...If I did anything at all with my girlfriend, including looking at her more than the appropriate amount of time, where I grew up, it would STILL be radical and receive an appropriate reaction-. Thankfully, I live in California, where I just live my "radical" life and no one gives a damn. Enjoyed your blog...Me. Here. Right now.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17340392061207298502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5869071.post-76271405710130608042007-05-18T17:23:00.000-04:002007-05-18T17:23:00.000-04:00Right on, sister!I guess maybe there are those who...Right on, sister!<BR/><BR/>I guess maybe there are those who fear that some people don't know where to draw the line between (A) bickering over Le Creuset colors at Williams-Sonoma with your same-sex partner and (B) voting Republican, assuming that everyone can afford a weekend home in Asbury Park, and feeling that protests against Catholic bigotry are passé in a post-radical world.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02957861827918606478noreply@blogger.com